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Salem Massachusetts 2015
A Biology student at Bloomsburg University
A UConn student uses the time of preaching the Gospel to proclaim his opposition to what God has declared as holy and undefiled.
Our Salem 2015 preaching tour started at the Philadelphia outfest gay-pride festival. From Pa, I traveled with my friend John Beeton to preach at some more local colleges, James Madison, George Mason, and George Washington University. we also spent a Saturday preaching outside the Whitehouse.
My good friend Bobby Mcreery arrived in Philadelphia on Wednesday, and so we preached in and around Pa. redeeming the time, preaching the gospel and praying that God would save souls. We preached at Lockhaven University, Bloomsburg University, and at Princeton University outside the Tiger Inn mealhouse (after hours). Sadly at the tiger Inn, a macho-types bouncer kicked my amplifier and broke it, but when the police were called by some Princeton students, his bravado disappeared, he denied his what he had been so proud of earlier, and he blamed a Princeton student for breaking the amp. No fear of God for him, but the fear of police cowered him. But God knows, and he knows what the truth is. We also spent a day preaching in downtown Newark N.J. at the corner of Broad and Market St. This is my favorite place to preach. There are no rich men here, only broken, poor, distressed men and women, many enslaved to sin, addicted to drugs or alcohol, drug dealers, Black Hebrew Israelites, Nation of Islam, Black Muslims, and so many lost, like sheep without a shepherd. We were humbled and privileged to tell them about The Good Shepherd, who laid down His life for His sheep, and then overcame death, so that they might be set free and overcome sin. Leaving NJ Sunday night we traveled to Connecticut, so that we could preach at UConn Monday.
John Beeton drove up to preach with us and he would remain until after Salem. Monday night we drove to Danvers Massachusetts, where our host, pastor Stephen Brock had arranged for us to stay the week. An interesting situation developed while staying in Danvers. Salem has marketed and profited from the witch trials and the execution of 19 men and women. History reveals that this is all marketing propaganda, for the witch trials and executions took place in a nearby town called Salem City in the 17th century. Salem City has been renamed – Danvers. And where we resided in Danvers is adjacent to a granite memorial to the 19 men and women who were determined to be guilty of witchcraft and executed, painfully. At the Danvers memorial there was no party, no reveling, no capitalistic endeavors, just a granite memorial.
. While staying in Danvers, we preached at UMass Boston, UMass Lowell, and Boston Commons. UMass Boston usually has a large turnout of students wanting to voice their opinions. Earlier this semester we preached there and the crowd was big, and loud. This time there was a concerted effort to ignore the preaching, and one student while distributing rainbow stickers, did his best to usher the other students away from our location. There were still some who sat and listened, some took Gospel literature, and there were many one to one conversations. Pastor Brock preached for the first time at a college. He preached with authority, shared his testimony with tears, and made a passionate appeal that the students be reconciled to God. Later in the day a crowd developed and a few young women proudly defended planned parenthood, even claiming the recent videos seen nationwide were untrue. When the topic being preached moved to abortion, another young woman wept and sobbed. She heard that day how sins are forgiven and what the high cost of sin is; even the blood of God’s precious Son. She heard there was grace freely given to those who own their sin and take their sins to Jesus Christ, laying them upon Him, in repentance and faith. While she sobbed and was defended and comforted by her peers, I looked across the plaza and saw another young woman in a conversation with Pastor Brock. She also was weeping. He later said she was deeply convicted of sin and asking for forgiveness. He ministered to her and she made a profession of faith. We later prayed for her, that her’s was a Godly sorrow for her sin that would lead to repentance, and not just the worldly sorrow leading to death. At UMass Lowell, a crowd gathered quickly, but as time passed a young man was able to lead all of the students away, reminiscent of the pied piper. Before long many students returned, and it appeared that a class had been sent out to take notes. John answered questions from about 20 students, who with their notepads and pens were asking questions, even raising their hand to get his attention. This is a very rare and infrequent occurrence at universities, and we have no way of knowing the motives involved, but the truth was shared in love. As the afternoon wore on, the weather got rainy and some young men showed up to drown out the preaching with a snare drum, a trumpet, and a saxophone. They also brought out a large Communist Russia flag with hammer and sickle and paraded it around the center of campus. We left them playing in the rain.
Thursday we went with the Pastor, his son and some visiting Christian men to Boston Commons. While near the courthouse we encountered a protest rally, with approximately 50 men and women protesting the shooting of deer in their neighborhood, and recommending birth control for deer vice shot guns. We upbraided the crowd for being concerned for the killing of deer yet silent on the issue of abortion and the killing of 4,000 unborn babies daily. It was also ironic that they protested the right of a citizen to choose to hunt deer, yet would champion the choice of a mom, to destroy her son or daughter. While Bobby was preaching, he was attacked by a young deer-saver. Bobby’s glasses were knocked into the street, and by God’s grace this happened just as the stoplight changed, and the glasses were recovered without damage. The young man who made the attack was rebuked by his fellow deer-savers, and his protest signs were taken away. The leaders of the protest were upset, and asked us to go elsewhere. They were relieved when I said we would finish then leave, and the woman in charge thanked me when I kept my word and left after 5 minutes more of preaching. Later that day Bobby had an extended conversation with the male leader of the protest. He was a middle aged Caucasian with a small pony tail, who had a Buddhist-like world view. After some conversation he acknowledged his thoughts on the sanctity of life was inconsistent in that he championed the cause for all sorts of life except unborn babies. We hope he will ponder this in his heart, although we know that until he understands the sin issue, and comes to seek the living God, it remains abstract philosophy. We finished the day preaching in Boston, and returned to Danvers, where Mike Stockwell was waiting for us.
Friday and Saturday were set apart for preaching in Salem. The weather was perfect and the crowd were estimated to be the biggest ever. The crowd response to preaching in Salem during Halloween season is that similar to the crowd response when the first Christian Martyr, Stephen, finished his sermon. The party area in Salem is huge, and you would think that there is ample room for those that deny God or hate God, to pass by, eat, drink, and be merry, knowing that tomorrow they might die. But an irrational hatred comes upon many, so that they are drawn to and can’t leave the preaching.
We do not set up near the center of festivities, but find a spot somewhere that we can be heard. Thousands heard the Gospel in those two days. In addition to the professing atheists, many gather espousing a message contrary to all that is revealed in the Bible. Unconditional love, license to sin, discounting the truth of the Bible is their message and most of these make claims of loving God or identify themselves as Christians. They would deny truth, judgment, and hell and judge anyone who differed with their message as judgmental and narrow-minded. They redefine tolerance, to mean acceptance, and even approving or applauding any type of behavior. In reality they demonstrate their intolerance, for all Christians who hold to Biblical truths, although the Bible commands all Christians to love neighbors and enemies. Christians may disagree, yet in love we tolerate, our weapons are not carnal in nature but spiritual. It is the Gospel which is the power of God unto salvation for those who believe. It is a bizarre sight to see men preaching from the Bible and many railing and ranting their disapproval, often while they are wearing strange costumes, making lewd and obscene gestures, the pagans and wicca also trying to demonstrate some power over men filled with the Spirit of God.
A professing witch was disgusted with my ignorance of her talent psychometry. . Had we exchanged a handshake, she would have left the question unasked.
Repentance and remission for sins was preached, Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected was boldly proclaimed, and all men were called to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe if the behavior of those partying was objectively reviewed, it would be seen as abject depravity, on a public street, in a mixed crowd including children. But except by the grace of God, I may have been amongst them.
Oh now let us pray that God would open their eyes that they may turn from the darkness to light and from the power of satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in Jesus Christ. Sunday we worshipped with the brethren atPastor Brock’s church, True Gospel Baptist Church, and by Sunday night we were back in NJ, so that Bobby could fly home from Philadelphia the next day. I thank God for all He provided on this mission. I thank God for all the saints who love Jesus, and desire that His name would be made great, even in a culture such as ours. I thank God that He would use earthen vessels to bring the message of salvation to those who may despise it. I thank God that He alone can save a soul, and He sends us to preach, but salvation is of the Lord, and He gives His glory to none other. I thank God that salvation is offered freely and that there is no partiality with God. All thanks to God, for I obtained help that comes from God, so that I can stand and testify to both small and great, saying nothing else than what the prophets and Moses said would take place– that the Messiah must suffer and that as the first to rise from the dead, He would proclaim light to the Jews and the Gentiles.
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Fall 2015 campus preaching
After a time spent at home visiting with my family, my dear chidren and grandchildren, and spending some precious time 
with my church, Poquoson Baptist Church, we began sharing the Gospel this Fall with great favour from God, in that we were able to go onto a local campus in Newport News Va., Christopher Newport University for the 1st time in about 6 years. For an unknown reason the Campus officials notified by E mail all students and staff that a preacher would be on campus the following day. As we arrived there were several hundred students waiting to hear/see a preacher. It was an incredible thing to open my Bible and commence sharing the word of God to a ready crowd. for several moments there was a silence that allowed for a nice introduction to the way of salvation. Within moments though many students expressed their opinions, many opposed to the very idea that God created them and their accountability to Him, and their dire need of the reconciliation He can provide through Jesus Christ. We hope this was a start of many more visits here, God willing. Next we met in Providence R.I. and stayed with a dear brother and his wife. We preached each day at Brown University, where the school motto is still on the wall where we preach, ” en Deo esperamos” in God we hope. Brown is also the college where Adoniram Judson attended before he became a missionary to Burma at the age of 25, and ministered for almost 40 years. Interestingly, Brown also is a college where the students have changed the school policy so that there are no more grades by which the students could be compared to a standard. Now, they receive a pass or a not-complete, so all there can be well pleased with their standing. We also preached at UMass Boston campus, URI, and UConn. As the first week passed we spent a day preaching to the huge crowds in NYC who were waiting for the roman catholic pope. Only time will tell whether this pope is looked back on as one of the many “anti-popes” according to Rome, or one of the many “anti-christs”, the Apostle John warns of. A wolf in sheep’s clothing to be sure. We also preached to a much different crowd in Newark N.J. where poverty, drugs, and unemployment have caused many to listen to the teaching of the Black muslims, Black Hebrew Israelites, and the nation of islam leaders. Sadly these cults have no hope, love, or salvation, but are founded on racism, legalism, and domination. On Saturday night we preached at the Princeton University frat/meal houses, where hundreds of students indulge in excessive alcohol and promiscuous behavior. Sadly many profess to love Jesus, and justify how they behave as normal for college. we then traveled a bit, preaching each day at, SUNY college of Albany, Purchase, UMass Amherst, Temple U and UPenn in Philadelphia. We were able also to preach on the sidewalk outside the abortion mill in Englewood N.J., where they maintain an 8 foot buffer zone despite the Supreme Court ruling against buffer zones earlier this year. I give thanks to God daily for the brethren who preach, those who provide shelter, and those who keep us in prayer. God provides the means and the power by which His people are saved. The preachers were Scot Smith, Robert Gray, Mike Stockwell, Sye Ten Bruggencate, Robert Parker, Don Harmon, Dale Mcalpine, Jim Hamilton. We were also given great hospitality by The Costa family, The May family, The Marcavage family, The Egloffs, and the Admas’,
Jamaica Mission Trip 2015
Greetings and praise the Lord of heaven and earth. He does all things well. God provided More than I could have considered in 2014, including the provision of a 6 week period before this trip to enjoy time with my family by blood and with family at Poquoson Baptist Church, and time to pray, read, and seek the Lord . I love the people of Jamaica and long to see them saved, and pray that God will do that which only He can do; save souls, forgive sin, draw men to His Son Jesus Christ. I started this mission by driving to Athens Ga to stay with my friend, Bobby Mcreery and his family. While in Athens we were able to share the Gospel with hundreds of UGa students as they walked the streets outside the bars in Athens on New Years Eve. We encountered many that expressed their hatred towards the Gospel, thinking it foolish that they would be judged by God, and were in need of salvation. Just as many would make some claim of having a relationship with God, yet were surely not seeking holiness, nor hungering and thirsting after righteousness. Instead they were openly displaying their friendship with the world and all the pleasures it offers, living as if they could party endlessly.
We pray that many will consider what they heard and what they said and what they did in response to God’s command to repent and be converted ; Or how they were invited and pleaded with to be reconciled to God.
We arrived in Montego Bay Jamaica Tuesday January 6, checking into a hotel about 2 miles from Sam Sharp Square, the town center in Jamaica. We started with 7, and in the next three weeks more than 20 men and women joined us for whatever amount of time they had. While in Jamaica, and by the generosity of some of the families on the outreach, we had a rental van for 6 days, allowing us to travel and share the Gospel in Montego Bay, Falmouth, Ocho Rios, Kingston, Negril, Lucea. During this time we distributed approximately 200 Bibles and 70,000 Gospel tracts, we preached, and sang hymns. Often we were asked to pray for some. We disputed much with many Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah witnessws, Oneness Pentecostals, and Rastafarians. Like Paul spoke of Athens, this is a very religous group of people, and having a form of godliness but lacking the power thereof. All of these religions are built on self righteousness, and result in multitudes baptized yet living like devils. When asked if they are at peace with God, the most common answer is, ” not yet “, meaning not yet baptized. Each of these aforementioned religious are designed to keep men and women from the cross, distracting them with busy-work, and rule keeping, knocking on doors, and explaining prophecies. Jesus reurned to heaven , in a sense, by way of the cross, through His sinless life, atoning death on the cross, and His resurrection. He is the way, the truth and the life.
The Gospel is the – power of God- unto salvation for those who believe. The righteous are justified by faith. Our team would increase and decrease, with 16 about the max, and never less than 7. All too soon Jan 27 had arrived and we all departed for our own destination. I returned to Orlando Fla. and spent several days working with my friend John Baros, at the OWC abortion clinic. We rejoiced that several women chose life, and 2 went to a local pregnancy counseling center. John received a message that both of these womwn were indeed pregnant and had declared they would keep their baby, and they were enrolled in a system which would provide help. Leaving Orlando, I traveled to Claremont N.C. where I stayed with my dear friends Ronnie and Debbie Graham. Saurday I reached home, and by God’s mercy, grace and good providence, worshipped on the Lord’s Day with my brothers and sisters at Poquoson Baptist Church.
* NEW * Conversation with a secular atheist
After a recent day of preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ at University of Albany SUNY, a young woman left a message to protest our presence at her school, and to voice her disagreement with our message. I do not know if I personally spoke to her while I was there, nor what she looks like, and I think she does not know who I am, except that I was one of the group that preached there. This began a series of messsages back and forth. I thank God for allowing me to share the Gospel with her. I did not respond after her final response. I would have, but we don’t always have to have the laat word. I leave her soul now in the hands of God. May He grant her repentance and saving faith in Jesus Christ. Please pray for her.
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Submitted on 2014/10/02 at 11:21 pm
I was the one standing up to you for several hours at the University at Albany. You are a malicious hate group and you do not belong in a place of learning. I will be spending much of my time this semester ensuring that next time you come here, you will either not be allowed on campus, or will face severe opposition once you get there. I sincerely hope that you re-evaluate the hateful things you said at my university on monday. I would like to remind you that this university is home to may of the students who attend there, and there is nothing loving about breaking into someone’s home to threaten them with eternal torture. My heart breaks for your children, your congregation, and every student who is assaulted by your bile. |
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:37 PM, don Karns wrote:
I was one of the group of preachers who obtained a permit, from your school and stationed ourselves at the location specified by your school, and then spoke of what God has revealed to man through the Bible. We did speak of sin, righteousness, and judgment of God, but we also spoke of God’s love, Grace, and mercy. To prohibit free speech at public venues would be to discard the US constitution, or at least remove what it says a about free speech or freedom of religion. As it was, you were free to speak against what was said or to walk past. God, and not me, threatens those made in His likeness, with eternal punishment. But He also invites those He has created in His image to enter into a relationship with Him, and offers eternAl life to all those that repent and believe the Gospel. And so it is God, His Word, His judgment, punishment, and plan of salvation you stand against. How can we escape if we neglect so great salvation? It was first spoken by the Lord and was confirmed by those who heard Him. God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is condemned already. This, not because we came to your campus, but because being made as God’s image bearer, you and all men have missed the mark, and worshipped and served the creation and not the creator, who is blessed forever.
And so God now commands all men everywhere to repent
for He has appointed a day in which –
He will judge the world in righteousness
By the man He has appointed.
He has provided proof of this to everyone
By raising Him from the dead.
Jugment, punishment, and salvation are all of God. I am not your enemy. I plead with you in Christ’s behalf,
Be reconciled to God.
From: Jessica Cooper 
Date: Monday, October 6, 2014 12:24 PM
To: don Karns
Subject: Re: Thanks for your comment
Size: 10 KB You are a hate group. What you call love is nothing of the sort. You are prejudiced, malicious, hateful, and petty. If your god believes as you say he does, than god is a bigot, and I oppose him. If god will condemn me for the way he made me, then I have no love at all for him. What you preach is hateful. It is the most hateful, evil doctrine this world has to offer and I will fight it until my dying breath. Many public institutions prevent hate groups from speaking on their campuses, and I hope my University will see your group for the evil bile it really is. Regardless of my University’s decision, there will always be students here who oppose you, and recognizes your preaching for what it is. I hope you know that your preaching is not making converts. You don’t bring anyone to your horrible religion by threatening them with hell. To the contrary, my secular student group membership increased hugely the day you came to campus, because the student body at this campus is so uniformly opposed to hate speech and anti-science rhetoric.
There is no eternal life. There is no sin, and there is no god. You are wasting your life believing this ancient lie.I sincerely wish you good health, good fortune, and good luck escaping the evil cult you have found yourself in,JD CooperPresident & Founder, SUNY Albany Secular Student Alliance.
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Don Karns wrote:
I understand that you and I disagree about many things. But why are you So angry and hateful? Don’t you realize that – to silence others might restrict your own views. Thankfully at this time close minded people can’t silence disagreeing viewpoints in public Places. So if your group or administration would restrict freedom or religion they would still have to deal with the law as it exists. Maybe there are some students on campus who still have feelings of guilt and shame and have a great need to hear about the way of peace with God and salvation. The like-minded thoughts of your group is still a small but vocal circle. We enjoy visiting Albany. The students there are open about their belief or lack of belief. We don’t consider them a lost cause or a waste of time. I would encourage you to go to sye’s website www.proofthatgodexists.org and ask him to debate.It makes sense that one who is certain God does not exist could discuss this calmly and rationally. Debate is not my strong suit. To me, when you say”there is no God”You make an absolute statement while denying absolutes.In the same manner if you were to { say } there are no words, I would not debate that; it would be senseless.So thanks for responding, I hope you can keep calm. I am not your judge nor your enemy. You are not the only one with this worldview. I meet professing atheists all the time. I don ‘t get Angry, or hate them, I love them, and the same for you.don Karns Sent from my iPhone
From: Jessica Cooper
Date: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:51 PM
To: Don Karns
Subject: Re: Thanks for your comment
Size: 18 KB I’m not hateful, but I am angry. I’m angry that you can come to my campus, threaten my friends with eternal torture, and leave thinking you did something “loving,” I’m angry that you accuse me of attempting to drown out freedom of religion and freedom of speech when you are the ones who want to ban the teaching of real science, stop people who love each other from getting married, and force your cult onto everyone who doesn’t believe. All in the name of “love.” The only reason anyone would be feeling guilt and shame on the day you came to our campus is because you guilted and shamed them. I will not restrict freedom of speech on public streets and buildings, but when you come onto U Albany campus, you come into the homes of thousands of students who do not deserve to be threatened and jeered at as they go about their lives. I am an atheist. I am very happy and I don’t need your god. Furthermore, I don’t need a hateful religion that science has utterly and completely decimated. Especially not one that comes into the homes of young people to threaten them with eternal torture. I wish I could save you from this ideology. I wish you would respond to the evidence, I wish there were any facts at all that could convince you that the evil book you follow is a mass of lies. But I can’t do that. Because apologists like Sye and yourself will not accept evidence. They won’t tell us which facts will prove them wrong. It’s clear which facts would prove evolution wrong (fossils in the wrong strata, children with no genetic similarities to their parents, an animal giving birth to an animal of another genus) but the “god” proposition is unflasifiable. It’s also a proposition which ruins people’s lives every single day (gay teens kicked out of their homes, children denied medical care, women denied agency, careers, the right to be free). So I damn well have a right to be angry.
JD Cooper
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Don Karns wrote:
OK,I m glad to hear you want speech restricted only on public campus property and not at all public spaces I don’t see the difference, but you obviously do. Public universities have always been a place where different world views are debated. Before your time the radicals and socialists were always protesting. UCal Berkely even has a metal plate inscribed “on this spot, no power on earth can restrict a persons speech. U Va was founded by T. Jefferson, and the school charter, specifies that it will be a school known for free speech and differing views.This hate speech talk,Could you please,Tell me what the standard is, and who sets the standard.Is the Bible hate speechIs the Quran hate speechIs the university code of conduct hate speech?Stalin, Mao, and Pol Phot were all atheists, communists – they each murdered millions. So can we agree that atheists can be hateful?Jesus Christ did not set aside the law, but He did say ” let him who is without sin cast the first stone”. So a true Christian has as his weapon Gods Word, and his faith and the Holy Spirit.Obviously there have been many cases where men calling themselves Christians have lived contrary to Jesus teaching. But that doesn’t make His teaching wrong, and it doesn’t mean that those who follow His teaching are wrong. I love science. I spent my life in engineering, working in the Navy’s nuclear power program 6 years then 28 years at Surry Nuclear power station. I love the order found in studying science and how we can use it to learn how to use what exists and invent, predict. and harness our environment. But we can’t create anything ex nihilo.My faith allows for this ,1) It is logical that God can create things from nothingGod is omnipotent2) it is logical that God can reveal things to His creation3) God’s revelation has been preserved because God acts to preserve itI see nothing illogical in believing thisYou obviously have a different line of thought as far as creation, order, logic.If you were to think through all this, would your line of thought be logical, or emotional -?Thanks, I asked Sye if he would consider a debate. He was open to scheduling one. Would you or your secular club be interested in having your spokesman for your group or bringing in a spokesman for secular humanism or atheism?You are attending what I would describe as the Caesars Palace of university’s. Of all the schools I visit, yours is the grandest. Your school may have the funds to sponsor a debate.My faith is not a blind faith nor a line of thought. My life had been changed by God through Jesus Christ , His life, death, and resurrection, and by the Holy Spirit. I fully acknowledge I can not change your mind or anyone else’s mind. Unless God acts, a person will live and die and be judged.May God grant you repentance and saving faith.Could I pray for you? You have not spoken of your background.Thanks,Don KarnsSent from my iPhone
From: Jessica Cooper
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:39 PM
To: Don Karns
Subject: Re: Thanks for your comment
Size: 33 KB Three basic things I want to address in this email. One, regrettably, my school does not have the sort of funds to bring someone with the notoriety of Sye to the campus, and my smallish, and quite new student group doesn’t have the influence to set such a thing up at this time. I really do wish that was a thing we were capable of doing, but it just isn’t right now. Two, also in regards to presuppositional apologetics, I’m actually going to try to help you for a second. Presuppositional apologetics, as it is practiced by Sye and his ilk is very unconvincing to the nonbeliever, because in all cases you must assume god at the outset to make any claims. It’s a non starter. I know that this type of apologetic seems convincing because there is no way for people to counter the apologist without the apologist turning their words around, but most people recognize a circular argument when they see one. Sye fails to define what he means by most of his definitions, and often twists words which do not mean the same things so that they look like equivalents. I encourage you to take a look at his website through the eyes of a nonbeliever and ask yourself some serious questions about whether or not these arguments hold any sort of water. Mr. Bruggencate is a master of trick questions, to be sure, but all he can prove is that there is a fuzziness about language that makes it easy to trick people. Furthermore, even if you stretch his arguments as far as they can possibly go, they can only suggest that their might be a non-interventionist deist “god,” and make absolutely no attempt to prove that the bible is anything more than a book of fairytales. You will never convert someone with presuppositional apologetics, you will only annoy them. I was asked when your preachers came to campus whether or not I believed in absolutes, and Mr. Bruggencate asks the same questions on his website. He fails to offer the answer I feel most honest scientists and philosophers would give. It’s also the answer which seems most correct in my mind. Absolutes exist as a construct of a mind, while they are not real in any physical sense, they offer us a framework to use to establish how reality really works. Like pixies, just because we can imagine them in our brains doesn’t mean they exist in the world. Thirdly, I think making threats is hate speech. You came onto campus and threatened to torture those who disagree with you. I take issue with your threats of violence. You think it is okay to threaten to threaten young people just because you hide behind the Bible and “god” when you do it. But it’s not okay. You are threatening to burn seventeen and eighteen-year-old children, and I’m sick and tired of people rolling over and letting you do it because you call yourselves people of faith. Even the founding fathers (many of them SECULAR) were opposed to extending the freedom of speech to cover open threats, I’ll link you to the wikipedia page describing the most common exceptions to free speech. Even though I think you’ve also covered false statements of fact and fighting words, my real issue is the making of very serious and grave threats. I can only find solace in the fact that your god is a myth and your threats are completely and totally empty.
If Jesus has changed your life, and this is what he has changed it to, then he is a very malicious and evil man to have done this to you, and to all the people around you. Why bother praying for me? Clearly god does not want me saved or he would send me evidence. And clearly, I don’t want to be saved either. You can certainly pray for me if you like, because I believe you are very literally doing nothing but wasting your time.If you would like me to link you to some good refutations of Sye’s version of apologetics, nothing would make me happier, however the refutation above is just my own personal take on one of the things I was asked when your group was terrorizing my campus.Best wishes,JDOn Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Don Karns wrote:
Well now, you declare things so much more clear and understandable when you are not angry. My name is don. i travel all around the country at many schools and share the Gospel. i hope to this message to three points, even if it challenges me to be so brief.
1) pre suppositional apologetics will not save anyone. The intent is to demonstrate the inconsistency of a non Christian worldview. There is no law or requirement to be consistent. It is only to be hoped and prayed for that if a person would see inconsistencies in their thoughts, then we could share the Gospel with them, so they don” run to Buddism or pantheism or any other ism.
You say Sye assumes (presupposes) God from the beginning to make any claims. The atheistic worldview also presupposes somethings before they can make any claims. All worldviews start with what they believe or presuppose. The line of thought is that if you would take your worldview and examine it thoroughly, it would prove to be logical and comprehensible. And if it can not be at all times logical and comprehensible, if, you desired to be consistent, you would discard that worldview. that is all the apologetic does. It does not speak of Jesus or salvation. The Christian worldview deals with the natural and empirical and with the supernatural and metaphysical. All worldviews must concede the human mind encounters both physical revelation and metaphysical information. All men use not only their five senses but they also know from induction and inference. If you cling to a worldview that excludes anything you can not use your five senses to validate, you could not honestly proceed because something must interpret what is sensed.
2) I have never nor any of my friends made a personal threat, in fact as Christians we pray for those who curse us. But if we declare what God has said, it is meant as a warning. We preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified, and He did not come into the world to condemn it but that the world might be saved by Him. I understand you don”t want to be saved. And i know i can not change your mind. So as I pray for you i pray that God would soften your heart and make Himself known to you, and make yourself known to you. We don’t threaten anyone we love them and want the best for them. The Bible offers warnings, so that we are without excuse. God doesn’t just punish, but He warns and He loves and He saves.
3)i will continue to pray for you. i don’t think you are a waste of my time. i think you are made in God’s image and i think you have a value that come from this, and it is not from how rich or smart or popular you are. And that is why i can honestly say i love you. But i can say i like you too. You are very smart and not timid about stating what is on your mind.
don
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Don, I’m certainly still angry. I think what you do is the closest thing you can do to actual evil. The gospel is an extremely malicious and awful document, and I would very much enjoy never hearing of that particular brand of nastiness again. Presuppositional Apologetics fails utterly to demonstrate anything at all. Firstly, as I stated in my last email, it doesn’t have anything at all to do with the bible or christianity. It fails not only because it processes false equivocation and the vagueity of language as proof, but also because it fails utterly to even mention the thing which it attempts to prove. My mother and I sat down together last night and went through the entire process of working our way through Sye’s website. We pointed out so many leaps of logic, but the one that stuck out the most firmly is when Sye defines “god” as the laws of logic and morality, then in the next page immediately jumps to the immoral and illogical Christian god. I understand that these types of games are amusing and affirming to those who are already Christians, but anyone with an alternative view can see that these types of logic games are extremely fallacious and jump to entirely unwarranted conclusions. This apologetic is a total and complete failure. It’s not persuasive and it’s not evidence.
I disagree that “metaphysical” exists if your definition of “metaphysical” includes “supernatural” or “spiritual.” These things are simply chemicals in your mind. YOU are simply chemicals in your mind. That’s a beautiful thing. It’ exciting that we come from such basic and simple material, yet, through evolution and constructed social meaning-making we can become a species capable of doing the sorts of things that humans do. (science especially) I reject the metaphysical, the spiritual, the supernatural, we are all material. You’re an animal, you’re a collection of chemicals, you’re just matter, and that’s what makes it impressive that you can exist in the way that humans do. Science is how we determine what is real, and our senses are a huge asset in understanding the world around us. Your subjective emotional response to ancient fairy tales is not a good way to know things about the world. It’s a TERRIBLE way to know anything.
Further, I was there when you made threats. I saw you make them. You made those threats toward me and my classmates. Telling me your imaginary friend is going to torture me forever if I refuse to worship him is the same thing as saying that you will do the torturing yourself. That’s an evil thing to do, and I am deeply offended that you call it love. Ask yourself this, if God wanted us to be saved, why would he sacrifice himself to himself in order to forgive us? Why not just forgive us? In relation to the “logical” validity of your god, that’s nonsensical. If God is omnipotent, can he create an object he can’t lift? Can he create a god more powerful than himself? Can he eliminate evil? If he can, and doesn’t then he is evil himself, no question about it. God fails logically on so many levels that pre-sup apologetics doesn’t even begin to address.
In short, it’s all bullshit. Total lies that you believe because you were brainwashed as a child. That’s it. Plain and simple. If god loved me, he would give me a single shard of evidence that he existed. If he loved me, than he would not have created hell, and condemned me to it just for being who I am. If god created me, then he created me an atheist. If god exists, he knows what would convince me, and yet never shows me. If god exists then he is a god that wants me to go to hell. And I would much rather be tortured for eternity than worship that monster.
Please reconsider your decision to obey this evil concept,
JD
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:19 PM, don Karns wrote:
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 7:46 AM, don Karns wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Don Karns wrote:
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I’m so unbelievably used to hearing this form evangelicals. As soon as I point out that your god does not fit the standard the bible sets for love or morality, you jump straight into the “oh it’s just MY faith” “it’s my kind of love” “Jesus’s love doesn’t have to follow the laws of the holy book I believe in.” That’s a load of bullshit.
You always want to make out like atheists live in “sin” because we don’t believe in the same fairy tales you do. You bring up “beer and drugs” like you think that’s the sort of thing I use to cope with my separation from God. Guess what? I’ve never had more than a single beer in one sitting. The only drugs I ever took were prescribed by my doctor to manage pain from surgery, and I took them when I was eight. Get off your moral high horse for a minute and LISTEN. If you would stop accusing me of sin for five damn minutes and listen to what I’m actually saying you’d realize that I’m trying to HELP YOU.
There are massive chunks of your emails, especially this last one that are so disjointed and chaotic that I can’t even understand what the hell you’re talking about. You keep saying you don’t care about winning this argument, presumably to shield your ego from the fact that you can’t win this argument. Further, despite saying in your very last email that love is not jealous, you consider to insist that god is love, and jealous. And then you try to defend god for his monstrous and petty jealousy. What is wrong with you? Why would you defend this monster? You condemn other evil jealous mass murderers, why not condemn this one? Are you so afraid of a finite life that you can’t acknowledge the truth about the god you obsess over?
You have to admit that if your god is not real, you are wasting the only life you had on harassing young people. I’m trying to help you out. There’s no evidence that your god exists and if this is the only life you have, you’re going to leave behind a legacy of hate speech and intolerance. Why would you want that? Further, if your god really does exist and does love humanity, and is “good,” why would he condemn anyone for disbelieving, or for not proselytizing? If he would condemn you for something that innocent, he’s an evil monster. Why would you ever want to worship an evil deity. I would rather burn eternally in hell than I would worship a god who would condemn me for my disbelief. I say this because I have standards. I would not support an evil murderous dictator on earth. I would not worship one in heaven.
I sincerely wish you and your children good luck,
JD
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Bullshit. I’m sorry, but that’s some serious bullshit right there. Read through that last email, see if you find a fact that can actually be affirmed, then email back. That wasn’t even a response to what I said, it’s just word vomit.
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Final note, Jessica is not unique on today’s college campus. Students there quickly come to believe in atheistic moralism, demonstrating hypocrisy, in their tolerance of everything except the Christian worldview. Thre is a great need of the Gospel on the American college campus. The contemporary Christian campus ministries are only tolerated if they will not confront the idololatry and sin on campus, and present the Gospel as a social or self help improvement group. The truth is, Jesus calls us to deny ourself, to pick up our cross daily and follow Him. His warning is clear, ” Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” The staff at most universities are not permitted to share their faith in Christ. I encourage all true Christians to pray for young people today, and if possible share the truth of the Gospel with them through conversation or a Gospel tract. This is the next generation. May God hear the prayers of His people and do a work that only He can accomplish.
Preaching the Gospel Fall 2013
The Gospel is desperately needed in this nation in this generation. I thank God for the Gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation for all those who believe. 
At abortion clinics, at the universities, the Gospel is the means by which Almighty God had provided to confront and change an evil world. Downtown areas like Newark and Trenton N.J, have a great need of the blessed hope that is found only in Jesus Christ.
cooperj