Jamaica 2026
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A MAN, who was entirely a stranger to me, and whose appearance convinced me he was poor, and whose address showed, that he was not very familiar with the subject of religion, called upon me one morning; and with some agitation desired me to go to a distant street, to see his wife, who was sick. On making some inquiries; I learned, that his wife had the consumption, was not expected to live many days, had not expressed any desire to see me; but that he had come for me, at the request of an aged Welsh woman, who lived in the same house. I immediately went to the place he described. I found the woman apparently in the last stages of the consumption. She was an interesting young woman, of about twenty years of age, and had been married a little more than a year. All the appearance of her room was indicative of poverty, though everything manifested the most perfect neatness. She was bolstered up, upon her bed, her face pale, with a bright red spot in the centre of each cheek. She appeared exceedingly weak; while her frequent cough seemed to be tearing her to pieces. Her condition affected me. Manifestly, her youth and beauty were destined to an early grave. She must soon leave the world; and how tender and terrible the thought, that she might still be unprepared for a happier one!
As I told her who I was, and why I had come there; she offered me her hand, with a ready and easy politeness; and yet, with a manifest embarrassment of feeling, which she evidently struggled to conceal.
I have seldom seen a more perfectly beautiful woman. Her frame was delicate, her complexion clear and white, her countenance indicative of a more than ordinary degree of intelligence and amiability; and as she lifted her languid eyes upon me, I could not but feel in an instant, that I was in the presence of an uncommon woman.
I felt her feverish pulse, which was rapidly beating, and expressing my sorrow at finding her so ill, she said to me, (speaking with some difficulty:)”—
You find me—in very humble circumstances—sir.”
“Yes,” said I, “you seem very sick.”
“We have not—always been—so straitened as we are now,” said she.—“We lived—very comfortably—before—I was sick. But, I am not able to do anything, now. And I am ashamed—to have you find me—with my room, and all things—in such a state;” (casting a look about the room.) “Once—I could have seen you in a more inviting place.—But, sir—we are now very poor—and cannot live—as we used to.—My situation—is—very humble indeed.”
“You have no occasion to be ashamed,” said I. “Your room is very neat; and if you are in want of anything, it will give me pleasure to aid you to whatever you need.”
“Oh, sir, I am not—in want—of anything now. I am too sick to need anything—more than the old lady—can do for me; and she is very kind.”
“And who is the old lady?” I asked.
“Mrs. Williams,” said she; “in whose house—we have lived since ours—was sold;—the woman that—wanted me to have you—come and see me. She has been—talking—to me about religion;—(she is a Welsh-woman;—) and she .has read—to me—in the Bible, but—I cannot—understand it.”
“And did you wish to .have me come and see you?”
“No—yes—I am willing—to see you; but—I am—in such—a place here—my room—”
“My dear friend,” said I, “do not think of such things at all. You have something of more moment to think of. You are very sick. Do you expect ever to get well?”
“No, sir; they—tell me—I shall not.”
“And do you feel prepared to die?”
“I do not know—what that—preparation means. And, it is too late, now, for me to do anything—about it.—I am too far-gone.”
“No, Madam, you are not. God is infinitely merciful; and you may be saved. Have you been praying to him to save you?”
“I never-prayed. Indeed, sir,—I never thought—of religion, till I was—sick, and the old lady talked—to me. But I cannot—understand her. I have never—read the Bible.—I never was inside—of a church—in my life. Nobody—ever asked me—to go, or told me—I ought to. I did not think—of religion. I just lived to enjoy—myself—as well—as I could. My aunt who took me—when my mother—died, never went—to church, and never said anything—to me about religion.—So I lived—as she—allowed me to, from the time I was three years old.—I had property—enough for everything—I wanted then; and after I left—school—about four years ago,—I had nothing—to do—but to go to parties—and dances—and attend to—my dress, and read—till—I was married.—Since that—we have had trouble.—My husband—I suppose—did not understand things—in our country—very well. He mortgaged—my house, and in a little while it was sold—and we were obliged—to leave it, and come here.”
“What did you read?” said I.
“Oh, I read novels; the most of the time—sometimes—I read other books; but—not much, except—some history, and biography.”
“Did you never read the Bible?”
“No, sir.”
“Have you got a Bible?”
“No, sir. The old lady—has got one—which she brings to me; but I am too weak—to read it. —It is a large book; and I—shall not live—long enough to read it.”
“You need not read it,” said I.—“But now suffer me to talk to you plainly. You are very sick. You may not live long. Will you give your attention to religion, as well as you can, in your weak state; and aim to get ready to die?”
“I would, sir—if I had time. But I do not—know anything—at all—about religion—and it would do me—no good—to try now, when I have—so little time—left.”
“You have time enough left.”
“Do you—think so—sir?”
“I know you have, Madam.”
She turned her eyes upon me, imploringly, and yet despondingly; and with a voice trembling with emotion, she said to me, speaking slowly and with difficulty:—
“Sir, I cannot—believe that—I have never begun—to learn religion.—I lived only for my—present enjoyment—till I was married; and since that, after—my husband—failed—all I have thought of—was to save—some little—of my property—if I could; so as not to—be a burden to other people.—And now,—there cannot—be time—enough left—for me—to begin with religion—and go—all the way through.”
“There is time enough,” said I.
Perceiving that she was already exhausted by her efforts to speak; I told her to rest for a few minutes, and I would see her again. I went into another room to see “the old lady,” (as she called her,) whom I found to be a pious Welsh woman, who had rented a part of her house to the sick woman’s husband, some months before, and who now devoted herself to take care of the poor sufferer. The tenant had squandered all his wife’s property; and now during her sickness, continued his dissipation, paying little attention to his dying wife. If he ever had a heart, rum had destroyed it.
“She is a good creature,” said the Welsh woman, “all but religion. When she was well, she was very kind to me. Though she was a lady, and had fine clothes, she was not ashamed to come and sit with me, an hour at a time, and talk to me and try to make me happy; for I am a poor, lone widow, seventy years old; and all my children are dead; and when I told her how it was with me, that I had nothing to live upon, but the rent I got for the rooms of my house; and she found out, (I did not tell her of it,) that her husband did not pay the rent any longer; she sold her rings and some of her clothes, and brought me the money, poor thing, and told me to take it. I did not know, at first, that she sold her rings and her clothes to get it; and when I asked her how she got it, and she told me, I said to her I would not have it, it would burn my fingers if I took it, and the rust of it would eat my flesh, as it were fire, and be a canker in my heart, and be a swift witness against me in the day of the great God, our Saviour. So I gave it back to her; but she would not take it: she laid it down there,”—(pointing to it with her finger,—) “on the mantlepiece,—it is five weeks yesterday,—and there it has been ever since. I cannot touch it. I never will touch it, unless I am forced to take it to buy her a coffin. Christ Jesus would not have taken the price of a lady’s rings and clothes, in such a case; and it is not for the like of me to do it. Poor thing! she will soon die, and then she will want rings and clothes no longer! Oh, sir! if I could only think she would wear robes of glory in heaven I would not weep so. But I am afraid it is all too late for her now! Religion is a hard business for a poor, sick sinner! And her husband would not go for you, week before last, nor last week. He never went till this morning, when I told him, as I was a living woman, he never should enter the house to-night,—he should sleep in the street, if he did not bring you here before the clock struck twelve. I want you to pray for her. There is no telling what God may do. May be he will send suddenly. But I cannot tell her the way. I have tried. I tried hard; but, poor thing, she said she could not understand me. And then, I could do nothing but come to my room and weep for her, and go to prayer, and then weep again. I am glad you have come. And now don’t leave her, till you have prayed and got a blessing,—if it is not too late.”
I have seldom heard eloquence surpassing that of “the old lady.” Some of her expressions were singular, but they seemed to have in them the majesty and tenderness of both nature and religion.
I borrowed the “old lady’s” Bible; and returned to the sick woman’s room. Seating myself by the side of her bed, I told her I did not wish her to talk, for it wearied her. But I wanted she should listen to me, without saying a word, only if she did not understand me, she might say so, and I would explain myself.
“Can I understand?”—said she, (with a look of mingled earnestness and despair.)
“Certainly you can. Religion is all simple and easy, if one desires to know it; and if you do not understand me, it is my fault, not yours.”
“And now, my dear child; listen to me, a little while. I will not be long. But first allow me to pray with you, for a single minute.”
After prayer, I took the Bible, and told her it was God’s word, given to us to teach us the way to eternal life and happiness beyond the grave;—that it taught all I knew, or needed to know about salvation;—that though it was a large book, and contained many things, which might be profitable to her under other circumstances; yet, all that she needed to think of just now, was embraced in a few ideas, which were easy to be understood;—and I wanted her to listen to them, and try to understand them.
“I will—sir,” said she, “as well—as I can.”
“Hear what God says then,” said I.
“The first thing is—that we are sinners.” I explained sin. I explained the Law which it transgressed, how it is holy, just and good; and we have broken it, because we have not loved the Lord our God with all our heart, and our neighbor as ourselves.
“No, I have—never loved—him,” said she.
I dwelt upon our sin, as guilt and alienation from God; explained how sinners are worldly, proud, selfish; and read the texts as proofs and explanations,—“by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified—the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the Law of God.” In short, that man is, in himself, a lost sinner; God is angry with him, and he has a wicked heart.
Said she, “That seems—strange—to me; wish—I had known it—before.”
“The second thing is—that just such sinners may be saved, because Jesus Christ came to seek and to save the lost. I read from the Bible, ‘God so loved the world that he gave his own Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon him. The Lord hath laid upon him the iniquity of us all.’ You see, therefore, that sinners can be saved. Christ died for them.”
“Will he—save me?” said she.
“I hope he will—but listen to me.—The third thing is, that lost sinners will be saved by Christ, if they repent of sin and believe in him.” I continued to select texts and read them to her. “God now commandeth all men everywhere to repent. Except ye repent, ye shall all like, wise perish. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe in his name. Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”
As I read such passages, turning over the leaves of the book, as I stood by her bed-side; her eyes followed the turning leaves, and she gazed upon the book in astonishment. At times, when repeating a peculiar text, my eyes rested on her face instead of the book, and then she would ask, “Is that in God’s word?” I found it best, therefore, just to look on the book, and read slowly and deliberately.
“The fourth, thing is, that we need the aid of the Holy Spirit to renew our hearts, and bring us to faith and repentance. ‘Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. No man can come unto me, except the Father which sent me draw him. In me is thy help. Let him take hold on my strength, that he may make peace with me, and he shall make peace with me.’ Man is helpless without the Holy Spirit.
The last thing is, that all this salvation is freely offered to us now, to-day, and it is our duty and interest to accept it on the spot, and just as we are, undone sinners. ‘Hear and your soul shall live. Seek ye the Lord while he may be found. Call ye upon him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him, and to our God for he will abundantly pardon. If ye, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him. Behold now is the accepted time; behold now is the day of salvation. Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. The Spirit and the bride say, come; and let him that is athirst come; and let him that heareth say, come; and whosoever will, let him take of the water of life freely.’
“Now, my dear child, this is all; only these five things. I will now leave you for an hour, to rest, and then I will be back to see you.”
In an hour I returned, determined to go over the same things; and explain them, if needful, more fully. As I entered the room she looked at me with a gladsome smile, and yet with an intense earnestness, which for an instant I feared was insanity. Said she, “I am so glad you have come;—I have been—thinking—of what yon read—to me. These things—must be true; but I don’t know—as I should—believe them, if they were not—in the word—of God. I understand some—of them.—I know I am—a sinner—I feel it. I never knew it—so before.—I have not loved God. I have been—wicked and foolish. I am—undone. And now—when I know it, my heart—is so bad, that instead of—loving God—it shrinks from—him,—and I am afraid—it is too late—for me!”
“Yes,” said I; “your heart is worse than you think. You can make it no better. Give it to God. Trust Christ to pardon all. He died for just such lost sinners.”
“Yes, sir,—I remember—that; but—what is it—to believe? I do not—understand that thing.—You said I must repent of sin,—and must believe—in Jesus Christ.-—I think that I understand one—of these things. To repent is to be sorry for my—sin,—and to leave it. But—what is it—to believe?—I cannot—understand that. What is believing—in Jesus Christ?”
“It is trusting him to save you. It is receiving him, as your own offered Saviour, and giving yourself to him, as a helpless sinner, to be saved by his mercy. He died to atone for sinners.”
“I believe that,—for God’s word—says so.—Is this—all the faith—that I must have?”
“No; not at all. You must have more. You must trust him. You must receive him as your own Saviour, and give yourself to him. You may remember the passage I read to you. Here it is in God’s word:—‘As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name’ You see that, here, ‘believing’ and ‘receiving’ express the same thing. You are to take Christ as God offers him to you; and you are to rely on Him to save you. That is faith.”
“Sir,—I am afraid—I can never—understand it,” said she, the tears coursing over her pale cheek.
“Yes, you can. It is very simple. There are only two things about it. Take Christ for your own, and give yourself to him to be his. Sometimes these two things are put together in the Bible, as when a happy believer says, ‘my beloved is mine, and I am his.’ It is union with Christ, as if he were your husband, and you were his bride.”
“Oh! sir,—it is all dark to me!—Faith—I cannot—understand it !”
“See here, my dear child. If you were here on this island, and it was going to sink; you would be in a sad condition, if you could not get off: There would be no hope for you, if you had no help. You would sink with the island. You could not save yourself. You might get down by the shore, and know and feel the necessity of being over on the other side, quickly, before the island should go down. But you could not get there alone. There is a wide river betwixt you and the place of safety, where you wish to go. It is so deep, that you could not wade it. It is so wide and rapid, that you could not swim it. Your case would be hopeless, if there was no help for you. You would be lost!—But there is a boat there. You see it, going back and forth, carrying people over, where they want to go. People tell you it is safe, and you have only to go on it. It seems safe to you, as you behold it in motion. You believe it is safe.—Now what do you do, in such a case? You just step on board the boat. You do not merely believe, it would save you, if you were on it; but you go on it. You commit yourself to it. When you get on; you do not work, or walk, or run, or ride. You do nothing, but one. You take care not to falloff. That is all. You just trust to the boat, to hold you up from sinking, and to carry you over, where you want to go. Just so, trust yourself to Jesus Christ to save you. He will carry you to heaven. Venture on him now He waits to take you.”
“But—will he save—such—a wicked—undone creature—as I am?”
“Yes; he will. He says he will. He came from heaven to do it; ‘to seek and to save that which was lost.’ He invites you to come to him. I read it to you in his word; ‘come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.’”
“May I go?” says she, (her countenance indicating the most intense thought; and her eyes, suffused with tears of gladness and doubt, fixing upon me, as if she would read her doom from my lips.)
“Yes, you may go to Christ. Come in welcome. Come now. Come just such a sinner as you are. Christ loves to save such sinners.”
She raised herself upon her couch, and leaning upon her elbow, with her dark locks falling over the snowy whiteness of her neck, her brow knit, her lips compressed, her fine eyes fixed upon me, and her bosom heaving with emotion,—she paused for a moment,—said she:—
“I do want—to come to Christ.”
“He wants you to come,” said I.
“Will he—take-me?” said she.
“Yes, he will; he says he will,” said I.
“I am wicked—and do not—deserve it,” said she.
“He knows that; and died to save you,” said I.
“Oh, I think—I would come, if God,—if the Holy Spirit—would help—me. But—my heart is afraid. I thought,—just now; if I only knew—the way, I would do it. But now, when—you have told me; I cannot believe it. I cannot, trust Christ. I never—knew before; what—a distant heart I have!”
“The Holy Spirit does help you. At this moment in your heart, he urges you to come, to trust Christ. The Bible tells you to come. ‘The Spirit and the bride say, come.’ God lengthens the hours of your life, that you may come; while he says to you, ‘Behold now is the accepted time, now is the day of salvation.’”
I paused for a little time; and as I watched her countenance, she appeared to be absorbed in the most intense thought. Her brow was slightly knit—her lips quivered—her fine eyes roamed from side to side, and often upwards; and then, closed, for a moment. And seeming utterly forgetful of my presence, she slowly pronounced the words, with a pause almost at every syllable;—“lost sinner—anger—God—Christ—blood —love—pardon—heaven—help—Bible—now—come.” And then, turning her eyes upon me, she said:
“I do want—to come—to Christ—and rest on him.—If my God—will accept—such—a vile sinner—I give myself—to him—forever!—oh!—he will—accept me—by Christ—who died!—Lord save me—I lie on thee—to save me.”
She sunk back upon her bed, with her eyes lifted to heaven, and her hands raised in the attitude of prayer; while her countenance indicated amazement.
I knelt by her bed, uttered a short prayer, and left her, to return at sunset.
As I returned, the old Welsh woman met me at the door, her eyes bathed in tears, and her hands lifted to the heavens. I supposed she was going to tell me that the sick woman was dead; but, with uplifted hands, she exclaimed, “Blessed be God! blessed be God ! The poor thing is happy now; she is so happy! Thank God! she is so happy! She looks like an angel now! She has seen Christ, her Lord; and she will be an angel soon! Now I can let her die! I can’t stop weeping! She has been a dear creature to me! But it makes my heart weep for joy now, when I see what God has done for her, and how happy she is.”
She conducted me to her sick friend’s room. As I entered, the dying woman lifted her eyes upon me, with a smile:—
“The Lord—has made me happy!—I am very happy. I was afraid—my wicked heart never would—love God. But, he has—led me to it. Christ—is very dear—to me. I can—lean on him now. I—can die—in peace.”
I conversed with her for some minutes, the “old lady” standing at my elbow, in tears. She was calm and full of peace. She said, “All you told me—was true; my heart finds it true.—How good—is Jesus, to save such sinners!—I was afraid—to fall upon him; but I know now—that believing is all. My heart—is different. I do love God. Jesus Christ is very dear—to me.”
She appeared to be fast sinking. I prayed with her, and left her. The next day she died. I visited her before her death. She was at peace. She could say but little; but some of her expressions were remarkable. She desired to be bolstered up in her bed, that she might “be able to speak once more.” She seemed to rally her strength; and speaking with the utmost difficulty, the death—gurgle in her throat, and the tears coursing down her pale, and still beautiful cheek, she said:—
“I wonder—at God.—Never was there such love.—He is all goodness.—I want—to praise—him.—My soul—loves him. I delight—to be his.—He—has forgiven me—a poor sinner—and now—his love exhausts me.—The Holy Spirit helped me—or my heart—would have held—in its own—goodness—in its unbelief.—God has heard me.—He has come—to me,—and now—I live—on prayer.—Pardon me—sir,—I forgot—to thank you—I was—so carried off—in thinking of my God.—He will—reward you—for coming to see me.—I am going—to him—soon—I hope.—Dying will be sweet—to me—for Christ—is with me.”
I said a few words to her, prayed with her, and left her. As I took her hand, at that last farewell she cast upon me a beseeching look, full of tenderness and delight, saying to me: “May hope— you—will always—go to see—dying sinners?”—It was impossible for me to answer audibly she answered for me;—“I know—you will—farewell.”
She continued to enjoy entire composure of mind till the last moment. Almost her last words to the “old lady” were, “My delight is—that God—is king—over all, and saves sinners—by Jesus Christ.”
I called at the house after she was dead, and proposed to the “old lady” that I would procure a sexton, and be at the expense of her funeral; lifting both her hands towards the heavens, she exclaimed,—“No, sir! indeed; no, sir! You wrong my heart to think of it! God sent you here at my call; and the poor thing has died in peace. My old heart would turn against me, if I should allow you to bury her! the midnight thought would torment me! She has been a dear creature to me, and died such a sweet death. I shall make her shroud with my own hands; I shall take her ring-money to buy her coffin; I shall pay for her grave; and then, as I believe her dear spirit has become a ministering angel, I shall hope she will come to me in the nights, and carry my prayer back to her Lord.”
She had it all in her own way; and we buried her with a tenderness of grief, which I am sure has seldom been equalled.

A UConn student uses the time of preaching the Gospel to proclaim his opposition to what God has declared as holy and undefiled.
Our Salem 2015 preaching tour started at the Philadelphia outfest gay-pride festival. From Pa, I traveled with my friend John Beeton to preach at some more local colleges, James Madison, George Mason, and George Washington University. we also spent a Saturday preaching outside the Whitehouse.
My good friend Bobby Mcreery arrived in Philadelphia on Wednesday, and so we preached in and around Pa. redeeming the time, preaching the gospel and praying that God would save souls. We preached at Lockhaven University, Bloomsburg University, and at Princeton University outside the Tiger Inn mealhouse (after hours). Sadly at the tiger Inn, a macho-types bouncer kicked my amplifier and broke it, but when the police were called by some Princeton students, his bravado disappeared, he denied his what he had been so proud of earlier, and he blamed a Princeton student for breaking the amp. No fear of God for him, but the fear of police cowered him. But God knows, and he knows what the truth is. We also spent a day preaching in downtown Newark N.J. at the corner of Broad and Market St. This is my favorite place to preach. There are no rich men here, only broken, poor, distressed men and women, many enslaved to sin, addicted to drugs or alcohol, drug dealers, Black Hebrew Israelites, Nation of Islam, Black Muslims, and so many lost, like sheep without a shepherd. We were humbled and privileged to tell them about The Good Shepherd, who laid down His life for His sheep, and then overcame death, so that they might be set free and overcome sin. Leaving NJ Sunday night we traveled to Connecticut, so that we could preach at UConn Monday.
John Beeton drove up to preach with us and he would remain until after Salem. Monday night we drove to Danvers Massachusetts, where our host, pastor Stephen Brock had arranged for us to stay the week. An interesting situation developed while staying in Danvers. Salem has marketed and profited from the witch trials and the execution of 19 men and women. History reveals that this is all marketing propaganda, for the witch trials and executions took place in a nearby town called Salem City in the 17th century. Salem City has been renamed – Danvers. And where we resided in Danvers is adjacent to a granite memorial to the 19 men and women who were determined to be guilty of witchcraft and executed, painfully. At the Danvers memorial there was no party, no reveling, no capitalistic endeavors, just a granite memorial.
. While staying in Danvers, we preached at UMass Boston, UMass Lowell, and Boston Commons. UMass Boston usually has a large turnout of students wanting to voice their opinions. Earlier this semester we preached there and the crowd was big, and loud. This time there was a concerted effort to ignore the preaching, and one student while distributing rainbow stickers, did his best to usher the other students away from our location. There were still some who sat and listened, some took Gospel literature, and there were many one to one conversations. Pastor Brock preached for the first time at a college. He preached with authority, shared his testimony with tears, and made a passionate appeal that the students be reconciled to God. Later in the day a crowd developed and a few young women proudly defended planned parenthood, even claiming the recent videos seen nationwide were untrue. When the topic being preached moved to abortion, another young woman wept and sobbed. She heard that day how sins are forgiven and what the high cost of sin is; even the blood of God’s precious Son. She heard there was grace freely given to those who own their sin and take their sins to Jesus Christ, laying them upon Him, in repentance and faith. While she sobbed and was defended and comforted by her peers, I looked across the plaza and saw another young woman in a conversation with Pastor Brock. She also was weeping. He later said she was deeply convicted of sin and asking for forgiveness. He ministered to her and she made a profession of faith. We later prayed for her, that her’s was a Godly sorrow for her sin that would lead to repentance, and not just the worldly sorrow leading to death. At UMass Lowell, a crowd gathered quickly, but as time passed a young man was able to lead all of the students away, reminiscent of the pied piper. Before long many students returned, and it appeared that a class had been sent out to take notes. John answered questions from about 20 students, who with their notepads and pens were asking questions, even raising their hand to get his attention. This is a very rare and infrequent occurrence at universities, and we have no way of knowing the motives involved, but the truth was shared in love. As the afternoon wore on, the weather got rainy and some young men showed up to drown out the preaching with a snare drum, a trumpet, and a saxophone. They also brought out a large Communist Russia flag with hammer and sickle and paraded it around the center of campus. We left them playing in the rain.
Thursday we went with the Pastor, his son and some visiting Christian men to Boston Commons. While near the courthouse we encountered a protest rally, with approximately 50 men and women protesting the shooting of deer in their neighborhood, and recommending birth control for deer vice shot guns. We upbraided the crowd for being concerned for the killing of deer yet silent on the issue of abortion and the killing of 4,000 unborn babies daily. It was also ironic that they protested the right of a citizen to choose to hunt deer, yet would champion the choice of a mom, to destroy her son or daughter. While Bobby was preaching, he was attacked by a young deer-saver. Bobby’s glasses were knocked into the street, and by God’s grace this happened just as the stoplight changed, and the glasses were recovered without damage. The young man who made the attack was rebuked by his fellow deer-savers, and his protest signs were taken away. The leaders of the protest were upset, and asked us to go elsewhere. They were relieved when I said we would finish then leave, and the woman in charge thanked me when I kept my word and left after 5 minutes more of preaching. Later that day Bobby had an extended conversation with the male leader of the protest. He was a middle aged Caucasian with a small pony tail, who had a Buddhist-like world view. After some conversation he acknowledged his thoughts on the sanctity of life was inconsistent in that he championed the cause for all sorts of life except unborn babies. We hope he will ponder this in his heart, although we know that until he understands the sin issue, and comes to seek the living God, it remains abstract philosophy. We finished the day preaching in Boston, and returned to Danvers, where Mike Stockwell was waiting for us.
Friday and Saturday were set apart for preaching in Salem. The weather was perfect and the crowd were estimated to be the biggest ever. The crowd response to preaching in Salem during Halloween season is that similar to the crowd response when the first Christian Martyr, Stephen, finished his sermon. The party area in Salem is huge, and you would think that there is ample room for those that deny God or hate God, to pass by, eat, drink, and be merry, knowing that tomorrow they might die. But an irrational hatred comes upon many, so that they are drawn to and can’t leave the preaching.
We do not set up near the center of festivities, but find a spot somewhere that we can be heard. Thousands heard the Gospel in those two days. In addition to the professing atheists, many gather espousing a message contrary to all that is revealed in the Bible. Unconditional love, license to sin, discounting the truth of the Bible is their message and most of these make claims of loving God or identify themselves as Christians. They would deny truth, judgment, and hell and judge anyone who differed with their message as judgmental and narrow-minded. They redefine tolerance, to mean acceptance, and even approving or applauding any type of behavior. In reality they demonstrate their intolerance, for all Christians who hold to Biblical truths, although the Bible commands all Christians to love neighbors and enemies. Christians may disagree, yet in love we tolerate, our weapons are not carnal in nature but spiritual. It is the Gospel which is the power of God unto salvation for those who believe. It is a bizarre sight to see men preaching from the Bible and many railing and ranting their disapproval, often while they are wearing strange costumes, making lewd and obscene gestures, the pagans and wicca also trying to demonstrate some power over men filled with the Spirit of God.

A professing witch was disgusted with my ignorance of her talent psychometry. . Had we exchanged a handshake, she would have left the question unasked.
Repentance and remission for sins was preached, Jesus Christ crucified and resurrected was boldly proclaimed, and all men were called to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe if the behavior of those partying was objectively reviewed, it would be seen as abject depravity, on a public street, in a mixed crowd including children. But except by the grace of God, I may have been amongst them.
Oh now let us pray that God would open their eyes that they may turn from the darkness to light and from the power of satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in Jesus Christ. Sunday we worshipped with the brethren atPastor Brock’s church, True Gospel Baptist Church, and by Sunday night we were back in NJ, so that Bobby could fly home from Philadelphia the next day. I thank God for all He provided on this mission. I thank God for all the saints who love Jesus, and desire that His name would be made great, even in a culture such as ours. I thank God that He would use earthen vessels to bring the message of salvation to those who may despise it. I thank God that He alone can save a soul, and He sends us to preach, but salvation is of the Lord, and He gives His glory to none other. I thank God that salvation is offered freely and that there is no partiality with God. All thanks to God, for I obtained help that comes from God, so that I can stand and testify to both small and great, saying nothing else than what the prophets and Moses said would take place– that the Messiah must suffer and that as the first to rise from the dead, He would proclaim light to the Jews and the Gentiles.
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After a time spent at home visiting with my family, my dear chidren and grandchildren, and spending some precious time
with my church, Poquoson Baptist Church, we began sharing the Gospel this Fall with great favour from God, in that we were able to go onto a local campus in Newport News Va., Christopher Newport University for the 1st time in about 6 years. For an unknown reason the Campus officials notified by E mail all students and staff that a preacher would be on campus the following day. As we arrived there were several hundred students waiting to hear/see a preacher. It was an incredible thing to open my Bible and commence sharing the word of God to a ready crowd. for several moments there was a silence that allowed for a nice introduction to the way of salvation. Within moments though many students expressed their opinions, many opposed to the very idea that God created them and their accountability to Him, and their dire need of the reconciliation He can provide through Jesus Christ. We hope this was a start of many more visits here, God willing. Next we met in Providence R.I. and stayed with a dear brother and his wife. We preached each day at Brown University, where the school motto is still on the wall where we preach, ” en Deo esperamos” in God we hope. Brown is also the college where Adoniram Judson attended before he became a missionary to Burma at the age of 25, and ministered for almost 40 years. Interestingly, Brown also is a college where the students have changed the school policy so that there are no more grades by which the students could be compared to a standard. Now, they receive a pass or a not-complete, so all there can be well pleased with their standing. We also preached at UMass Boston campus, URI, and UConn. As the first week passed we spent a day preaching to the huge crowds in NYC who were waiting for the roman catholic pope. Only time will tell whether this pope is looked back on as one of the many “anti-popes” according to Rome, or one of the many “anti-christs”, the Apostle John warns of. A wolf in sheep’s clothing to be sure. We also preached to a much different crowd in Newark N.J. where poverty, drugs, and unemployment have caused many to listen to the teaching of the Black muslims, Black Hebrew Israelites, and the nation of islam leaders. Sadly these cults have no hope, love, or salvation, but are founded on racism, legalism, and domination. On Saturday night we preached at the Princeton University frat/meal houses, where hundreds of students indulge in excessive alcohol and promiscuous behavior. Sadly many profess to love Jesus, and justify how they behave as normal for college. we then traveled a bit, preaching each day at, SUNY college of Albany, Purchase, UMass Amherst, Temple U and UPenn in Philadelphia. We were able also to preach on the sidewalk outside the abortion mill in Englewood N.J., where they maintain an 8 foot buffer zone despite the Supreme Court ruling against buffer zones earlier this year. I give thanks to God daily for the brethren who preach, those who provide shelter, and those who keep us in prayer. God provides the means and the power by which His people are saved. The preachers were Scot Smith, Robert Gray, Mike Stockwell, Sye Ten Bruggencate, Robert Parker, Don Harmon, Dale Mcalpine, Jim Hamilton. We were also given great hospitality by The Costa family, The May family, The Marcavage family, The Egloffs, and the Admas’,

Greetings and praise the Lord of heaven and earth. He does all things well. God provided More than I could have considered in 2014, including the provision of a 6 week period before this trip to enjoy time with my family by blood and with family at Poquoson Baptist Church, and time to pray, read, and seek the Lord . I love the people of Jamaica and long to see them saved, and pray that God will do that which only He can do; save souls, forgive sin, draw men to His Son Jesus Christ. I started this mission by driving to Athens Ga to stay with my friend, Bobby Mcreery and his family. While in Athens we were able to share the Gospel with hundreds of UGa students as they walked the streets outside the bars in Athens on New Years Eve. We encountered many that expressed their hatred towards the Gospel, thinking it foolish that they would be judged by God, and were in need of salvation. Just as many would make some claim of having a relationship with God, yet were surely not seeking holiness, nor hungering and thirsting after righteousness. Instead they were openly displaying their friendship with the world and all the pleasures it offers, living as if they could party endlessly.
We pray that many will consider what they heard and what they said and what they did in response to God’s command to repent and be converted ; Or how they were invited and pleaded with to be reconciled to God.
We arrived in Montego Bay Jamaica Tuesday January 6, checking into a hotel about 2 miles from Sam Sharp Square, the town center in Jamaica. We started with 7, and in the next three weeks more than 20 men and women joined us for whatever amount of time they had. While in Jamaica, and by the generosity of some of the families on the outreach, we had a rental van for 6 days, allowing us to travel and share the Gospel in Montego Bay, Falmouth, Ocho Rios, Kingston, Negril, Lucea. During this time we distributed approximately 200 Bibles and 70,000 Gospel tracts, we preached, and sang hymns. Often we were asked to pray for some. We disputed much with many Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah witnessws, Oneness Pentecostals, and Rastafarians. Like Paul spoke of Athens, this is a very religous group of people, and having a form of godliness but lacking the power thereof. All of these religions are built on self righteousness, and result in multitudes baptized yet living like devils. When asked if they are at peace with God, the most common answer is, ” not yet “, meaning not yet baptized. Each of these aforementioned religious are designed to keep men and women from the cross, distracting them with busy-work, and rule keeping, knocking on doors, and explaining prophecies. Jesus reurned to heaven , in a sense, by way of the cross, through His sinless life, atoning death on the cross, and His resurrection. He is the way, the truth and the life.

The Gospel is the – power of God- unto salvation for those who believe. The righteous are justified by faith. Our team would increase and decrease, with 16 about the max, and never less than 7. All too soon Jan 27 had arrived and we all departed for our own destination. I returned to Orlando Fla. and spent several days working with my friend John Baros, at the OWC abortion clinic. We rejoiced that several women chose life, and 2 went to a local pregnancy counseling center. John received a message that both of these womwn were indeed pregnant and had declared they would keep their baby, and they were enrolled in a system which would provide help. Leaving Orlando, I traveled to Claremont N.C. where I stayed with my dear friends Ronnie and Debbie Graham. Saurday I reached home, and by God’s mercy, grace and good providence, worshipped on the Lord’s Day with my brothers and sisters at Poquoson Baptist Church.
After a recent day of preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ at University of Albany SUNY, a young woman left a message to protest our presence at her school, and to voice her disagreement with our message. I do not know if I personally spoke to her while I was there, nor what she looks like, and I think she does not know who I am, except that I was one of the group that preached there. This began a series of messsages back and forth. I thank God for allowing me to share the Gospel with her. I did not respond after her final response. I would have, but we don’t always have to have the laat word. I leave her soul now in the hands of God. May He grant her repentance and saving faith in Jesus Christ. Please pray for her.
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I was the one standing up to you for several hours at the University at Albany. You are a malicious hate group and you do not belong in a place of learning. I will be spending much of my time this semester ensuring that next time you come here, you will either not be allowed on campus, or will face severe opposition once you get there. I sincerely hope that you re-evaluate the hateful things you said at my university on monday. I would like to remind you that this university is home to may of the students who attend there, and there is nothing loving about breaking into someone’s home to threaten them with eternal torture. My heart breaks for your children, your congregation, and every student who is assaulted by your bile. |
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:37 PM, don Karns wrote:
I was one of the group of preachers who obtained a permit, from your school and stationed ourselves at the location specified by your school, and then spoke of what God has revealed to man through the Bible. We did speak of sin, righteousness, and judgment of God, but we also spoke of God’s love, Grace, and mercy. To prohibit free speech at public venues would be to discard the US constitution, or at least remove what it says a about free speech or freedom of religion. As it was, you were free to speak against what was said or to walk past. God, and not me, threatens those made in His likeness, with eternal punishment. But He also invites those He has created in His image to enter into a relationship with Him, and offers eternAl life to all those that repent and believe the Gospel. And so it is God, His Word, His judgment, punishment, and plan of salvation you stand against. How can we escape if we neglect so great salvation? It was first spoken by the Lord and was confirmed by those who heard Him. God did not send His Son into the world that He might condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is condemned already. This, not because we came to your campus, but because being made as God’s image bearer, you and all men have missed the mark, and worshipped and served the creation and not the creator, who is blessed forever.
And so God now commands all men everywhere to repent
for He has appointed a day in which –
He will judge the world in righteousness
By the man He has appointed.
He has provided proof of this to everyone
By raising Him from the dead.
Jugment, punishment, and salvation are all of God. I am not your enemy. I plead with you in Christ’s behalf,
Be reconciled to God.
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Don Karns wrote:
I understand that you and I disagree about many things. But why are you So angry and hateful? Don’t you realize that – to silence others might restrict your own views. Thankfully at this time close minded people can’t silence disagreeing viewpoints in public Places. So if your group or administration would restrict freedom or religion they would still have to deal with the law as it exists. Maybe there are some students on campus who still have feelings of guilt and shame and have a great need to hear about the way of peace with God and salvation. The like-minded thoughts of your group is still a small but vocal circle. We enjoy visiting Albany. The students there are open about their belief or lack of belief. We don’t consider them a lost cause or a waste of time. I would encourage you to go to sye’s website www.proofthatgodexists.org and ask him to debate.It makes sense that one who is certain God does not exist could discuss this calmly and rationally. Debate is not my strong suit. To me, when you say”there is no God”You make an absolute statement while denying absolutes.In the same manner if you were to { say } there are no words, I would not debate that; it would be senseless.So thanks for responding, I hope you can keep calm. I am not your judge nor your enemy. You are not the only one with this worldview. I meet professing atheists all the time. I don ‘t get Angry, or hate them, I love them, and the same for you.don Karns Sent from my iPhone
From: Jessica Cooper ![]()
Date: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:51 PM
To: Don Karns
Subject: Re: Thanks for your comment
Size: 18 KB I’m not hateful, but I am angry. I’m angry that you can come to my campus, threaten my friends with eternal torture, and leave thinking you did something “loving,” I’m angry that you accuse me of attempting to drown out freedom of religion and freedom of speech when you are the ones who want to ban the teaching of real science, stop people who love each other from getting married, and force your cult onto everyone who doesn’t believe. All in the name of “love.” The only reason anyone would be feeling guilt and shame on the day you came to our campus is because you guilted and shamed them. I will not restrict freedom of speech on public streets and buildings, but when you come onto U Albany campus, you come into the homes of thousands of students who do not deserve to be threatened and jeered at as they go about their lives. I am an atheist. I am very happy and I don’t need your god. Furthermore, I don’t need a hateful religion that science has utterly and completely decimated. Especially not one that comes into the homes of young people to threaten them with eternal torture. I wish I could save you from this ideology. I wish you would respond to the evidence, I wish there were any facts at all that could convince you that the evil book you follow is a mass of lies. But I can’t do that. Because apologists like Sye and yourself will not accept evidence. They won’t tell us which facts will prove them wrong. It’s clear which facts would prove evolution wrong (fossils in the wrong strata, children with no genetic similarities to their parents, an animal giving birth to an animal of another genus) but the “god” proposition is unflasifiable. It’s also a proposition which ruins people’s lives every single day (gay teens kicked out of their homes, children denied medical care, women denied agency, careers, the right to be free). So I damn well have a right to be angry.
JD Cooper
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Don Karns wrote:
OK,I m glad to hear you want speech restricted only on public campus property and not at all public spaces I don’t see the difference, but you obviously do. Public universities have always been a place where different world views are debated. Before your time the radicals and socialists were always protesting. UCal Berkely even has a metal plate inscribed “on this spot, no power on earth can restrict a persons speech. U Va was founded by T. Jefferson, and the school charter, specifies that it will be a school known for free speech and differing views.This hate speech talk,Could you please,Tell me what the standard is, and who sets the standard.Is the Bible hate speechIs the Quran hate speechIs the university code of conduct hate speech?Stalin, Mao, and Pol Phot were all atheists, communists – they each murdered millions. So can we agree that atheists can be hateful?Jesus Christ did not set aside the law, but He did say ” let him who is without sin cast the first stone”. So a true Christian has as his weapon Gods Word, and his faith and the Holy Spirit.Obviously there have been many cases where men calling themselves Christians have lived contrary to Jesus teaching. But that doesn’t make His teaching wrong, and it doesn’t mean that those who follow His teaching are wrong. I love science. I spent my life in engineering, working in the Navy’s nuclear power program 6 years then 28 years at Surry Nuclear power station. I love the order found in studying science and how we can use it to learn how to use what exists and invent, predict. and harness our environment. But we can’t create anything ex nihilo.My faith allows for this ,1) It is logical that God can create things from nothingGod is omnipotent2) it is logical that God can reveal things to His creation3) God’s revelation has been preserved because God acts to preserve itI see nothing illogical in believing thisYou obviously have a different line of thought as far as creation, order, logic.If you were to think through all this, would your line of thought be logical, or emotional -?Thanks, I asked Sye if he would consider a debate. He was open to scheduling one. Would you or your secular club be interested in having your spokesman for your group or bringing in a spokesman for secular humanism or atheism?You are attending what I would describe as the Caesars Palace of university’s. Of all the schools I visit, yours is the grandest. Your school may have the funds to sponsor a debate.My faith is not a blind faith nor a line of thought. My life had been changed by God through Jesus Christ , His life, death, and resurrection, and by the Holy Spirit. I fully acknowledge I can not change your mind or anyone else’s mind. Unless God acts, a person will live and die and be judged.May God grant you repentance and saving faith.Could I pray for you? You have not spoken of your background.Thanks,Don KarnsSent from my iPhone
From: Jessica Cooper ![]()
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 3:39 PM
To: Don Karns
Subject: Re: Thanks for your comment
Size: 33 KB Three basic things I want to address in this email. One, regrettably, my school does not have the sort of funds to bring someone with the notoriety of Sye to the campus, and my smallish, and quite new student group doesn’t have the influence to set such a thing up at this time. I really do wish that was a thing we were capable of doing, but it just isn’t right now. Two, also in regards to presuppositional apologetics, I’m actually going to try to help you for a second. Presuppositional apologetics, as it is practiced by Sye and his ilk is very unconvincing to the nonbeliever, because in all cases you must assume god at the outset to make any claims. It’s a non starter. I know that this type of apologetic seems convincing because there is no way for people to counter the apologist without the apologist turning their words around, but most people recognize a circular argument when they see one. Sye fails to define what he means by most of his definitions, and often twists words which do not mean the same things so that they look like equivalents. I encourage you to take a look at his website through the eyes of a nonbeliever and ask yourself some serious questions about whether or not these arguments hold any sort of water. Mr. Bruggencate is a master of trick questions, to be sure, but all he can prove is that there is a fuzziness about language that makes it easy to trick people. Furthermore, even if you stretch his arguments as far as they can possibly go, they can only suggest that their might be a non-interventionist deist “god,” and make absolutely no attempt to prove that the bible is anything more than a book of fairytales. You will never convert someone with presuppositional apologetics, you will only annoy them. I was asked when your preachers came to campus whether or not I believed in absolutes, and Mr. Bruggencate asks the same questions on his website. He fails to offer the answer I feel most honest scientists and philosophers would give. It’s also the answer which seems most correct in my mind. Absolutes exist as a construct of a mind, while they are not real in any physical sense, they offer us a framework to use to establish how reality really works. Like pixies, just because we can imagine them in our brains doesn’t mean they exist in the world. Thirdly, I think making threats is hate speech. You came onto campus and threatened to torture those who disagree with you. I take issue with your threats of violence. You think it is okay to threaten to threaten young people just because you hide behind the Bible and “god” when you do it. But it’s not okay. You are threatening to burn seventeen and eighteen-year-old children, and I’m sick and tired of people rolling over and letting you do it because you call yourselves people of faith. Even the founding fathers (many of them SECULAR) were opposed to extending the freedom of speech to cover open threats, I’ll link you to the wikipedia page describing the most common exceptions to free speech. Even though I think you’ve also covered false statements of fact and fighting words, my real issue is the making of very serious and grave threats. I can only find solace in the fact that your god is a myth and your threats are completely and totally empty.
If Jesus has changed your life, and this is what he has changed it to, then he is a very malicious and evil man to have done this to you, and to all the people around you. Why bother praying for me? Clearly god does not want me saved or he would send me evidence. And clearly, I don’t want to be saved either. You can certainly pray for me if you like, because I believe you are very literally doing nothing but wasting your time.If you would like me to link you to some good refutations of Sye’s version of apologetics, nothing would make me happier, however the refutation above is just my own personal take on one of the things I was asked when your group was terrorizing my campus.Best wishes,JDOn Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Don Karns wrote:
Well now, you declare things so much more clear and understandable when you are not angry. My name is don. i travel all around the country at many schools and share the Gospel. i hope to this message to three points, even if it challenges me to be so brief.
1) pre suppositional apologetics will not save anyone. The intent is to demonstrate the inconsistency of a non Christian worldview. There is no law or requirement to be consistent. It is only to be hoped and prayed for that if a person would see inconsistencies in their thoughts, then we could share the Gospel with them, so they don” run to Buddism or pantheism or any other ism.
You say Sye assumes (presupposes) God from the beginning to make any claims. The atheistic worldview also presupposes somethings before they can make any claims. All worldviews start with what they believe or presuppose. The line of thought is that if you would take your worldview and examine it thoroughly, it would prove to be logical and comprehensible. And if it can not be at all times logical and comprehensible, if, you desired to be consistent, you would discard that worldview. that is all the apologetic does. It does not speak of Jesus or salvation. The Christian worldview deals with the natural and empirical and with the supernatural and metaphysical. All worldviews must concede the human mind encounters both physical revelation and metaphysical information. All men use not only their five senses but they also know from induction and inference. If you cling to a worldview that excludes anything you can not use your five senses to validate, you could not honestly proceed because something must interpret what is sensed.
2) I have never nor any of my friends made a personal threat, in fact as Christians we pray for those who curse us. But if we declare what God has said, it is meant as a warning. We preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified, and He did not come into the world to condemn it but that the world might be saved by Him. I understand you don”t want to be saved. And i know i can not change your mind. So as I pray for you i pray that God would soften your heart and make Himself known to you, and make yourself known to you. We don’t threaten anyone we love them and want the best for them. The Bible offers warnings, so that we are without excuse. God doesn’t just punish, but He warns and He loves and He saves.
3)i will continue to pray for you. i don’t think you are a waste of my time. i think you are made in God’s image and i think you have a value that come from this, and it is not from how rich or smart or popular you are. And that is why i can honestly say i love you. But i can say i like you too. You are very smart and not timid about stating what is on your mind.
don
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Don, I’m certainly still angry. I think what you do is the closest thing you can do to actual evil. The gospel is an extremely malicious and awful document, and I would very much enjoy never hearing of that particular brand of nastiness again. Presuppositional Apologetics fails utterly to demonstrate anything at all. Firstly, as I stated in my last email, it doesn’t have anything at all to do with the bible or christianity. It fails not only because it processes false equivocation and the vagueity of language as proof, but also because it fails utterly to even mention the thing which it attempts to prove. My mother and I sat down together last night and went through the entire process of working our way through Sye’s website. We pointed out so many leaps of logic, but the one that stuck out the most firmly is when Sye defines “god” as the laws of logic and morality, then in the next page immediately jumps to the immoral and illogical Christian god. I understand that these types of games are amusing and affirming to those who are already Christians, but anyone with an alternative view can see that these types of logic games are extremely fallacious and jump to entirely unwarranted conclusions. This apologetic is a total and complete failure. It’s not persuasive and it’s not evidence.
I disagree that “metaphysical” exists if your definition of “metaphysical” includes “supernatural” or “spiritual.” These things are simply chemicals in your mind. YOU are simply chemicals in your mind. That’s a beautiful thing. It’ exciting that we come from such basic and simple material, yet, through evolution and constructed social meaning-making we can become a species capable of doing the sorts of things that humans do. (science especially) I reject the metaphysical, the spiritual, the supernatural, we are all material. You’re an animal, you’re a collection of chemicals, you’re just matter, and that’s what makes it impressive that you can exist in the way that humans do. Science is how we determine what is real, and our senses are a huge asset in understanding the world around us. Your subjective emotional response to ancient fairy tales is not a good way to know things about the world. It’s a TERRIBLE way to know anything.
Further, I was there when you made threats. I saw you make them. You made those threats toward me and my classmates. Telling me your imaginary friend is going to torture me forever if I refuse to worship him is the same thing as saying that you will do the torturing yourself. That’s an evil thing to do, and I am deeply offended that you call it love. Ask yourself this, if God wanted us to be saved, why would he sacrifice himself to himself in order to forgive us? Why not just forgive us? In relation to the “logical” validity of your god, that’s nonsensical. If God is omnipotent, can he create an object he can’t lift? Can he create a god more powerful than himself? Can he eliminate evil? If he can, and doesn’t then he is evil himself, no question about it. God fails logically on so many levels that pre-sup apologetics doesn’t even begin to address.
In short, it’s all bullshit. Total lies that you believe because you were brainwashed as a child. That’s it. Plain and simple. If god loved me, he would give me a single shard of evidence that he existed. If he loved me, than he would not have created hell, and condemned me to it just for being who I am. If god created me, then he created me an atheist. If god exists, he knows what would convince me, and yet never shows me. If god exists then he is a god that wants me to go to hell. And I would much rather be tortured for eternity than worship that monster.
Please reconsider your decision to obey this evil concept,
JD
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 7:46 AM, don Karns wrote:
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I’m so unbelievably used to hearing this form evangelicals. As soon as I point out that your god does not fit the standard the bible sets for love or morality, you jump straight into the “oh it’s just MY faith” “it’s my kind of love” “Jesus’s love doesn’t have to follow the laws of the holy book I believe in.” That’s a load of bullshit.
You always want to make out like atheists live in “sin” because we don’t believe in the same fairy tales you do. You bring up “beer and drugs” like you think that’s the sort of thing I use to cope with my separation from God. Guess what? I’ve never had more than a single beer in one sitting. The only drugs I ever took were prescribed by my doctor to manage pain from surgery, and I took them when I was eight. Get off your moral high horse for a minute and LISTEN. If you would stop accusing me of sin for five damn minutes and listen to what I’m actually saying you’d realize that I’m trying to HELP YOU.
There are massive chunks of your emails, especially this last one that are so disjointed and chaotic that I can’t even understand what the hell you’re talking about. You keep saying you don’t care about winning this argument, presumably to shield your ego from the fact that you can’t win this argument. Further, despite saying in your very last email that love is not jealous, you consider to insist that god is love, and jealous. And then you try to defend god for his monstrous and petty jealousy. What is wrong with you? Why would you defend this monster? You condemn other evil jealous mass murderers, why not condemn this one? Are you so afraid of a finite life that you can’t acknowledge the truth about the god you obsess over?
You have to admit that if your god is not real, you are wasting the only life you had on harassing young people. I’m trying to help you out. There’s no evidence that your god exists and if this is the only life you have, you’re going to leave behind a legacy of hate speech and intolerance. Why would you want that? Further, if your god really does exist and does love humanity, and is “good,” why would he condemn anyone for disbelieving, or for not proselytizing? If he would condemn you for something that innocent, he’s an evil monster. Why would you ever want to worship an evil deity. I would rather burn eternally in hell than I would worship a god who would condemn me for my disbelief. I say this because I have standards. I would not support an evil murderous dictator on earth. I would not worship one in heaven.
I sincerely wish you and your children good luck,
JD
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Bullshit. I’m sorry, but that’s some serious bullshit right there. Read through that last email, see if you find a fact that can actually be affirmed, then email back. That wasn’t even a response to what I said, it’s just word vomit.
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Final note, Jessica is not unique on today’s college campus. Students there quickly come to believe in atheistic moralism, demonstrating hypocrisy, in their tolerance of everything except the Christian worldview. Thre is a great need of the Gospel on the American college campus. The contemporary Christian campus ministries are only tolerated if they will not confront the idololatry and sin on campus, and present the Gospel as a social or self help improvement group. The truth is, Jesus calls us to deny ourself, to pick up our cross daily and follow Him. His warning is clear, ” Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” The staff at most universities are not permitted to share their faith in Christ. I encourage all true Christians to pray for young people today, and if possible share the truth of the Gospel with them through conversation or a Gospel tract. This is the next generation. May God hear the prayers of His people and do a work that only He can accomplish.
The Gospel is desperately needed in this nation in this generation. I thank God for the Gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation for all those who believe. 

At abortion clinics, at the universities, the Gospel is the means by which Almighty God had provided to confront and change an evil world. Downtown areas like Newark and Trenton N.J, have a great need of the blessed hope that is found only in Jesus Christ.







































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